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“My name can’t show”: Hale Testimony, vol. 17, 3224–28; Hugh Aynesworth, “Hale Says Clinton Got Money from Illegal Loan,” Washington Times, 3 Apr. 1996, A1.
“Who did you look”: Aynesworth, “Hale Says Clinton Got Money;" Hale Transcript, vol. 17, 3314–3315.
“What you heard”: Phillips, “Mystery Man’s Allegations.”
“I sort of wanted”: “McDougal, Sorry for Hale, Forgoes Fisticuffs,” Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 3 Apr. 1996, A8.
Prosecutor Jahn clarified: Joe Stumpe, “For Now, Clinton Not Named as Co-Conspirator,” Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 4 Apr. 1996, A1.
Governor Jim Guy Tucker was attempting: Jim Guy Tucker, interview by author. See also Noel Oman, “Governor Takes Aim at Starr,” Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 2 May 1995, A3. For another early story reflecting such attacks on Starr, see Daniel Klaidman, “Branded, Besieged, and Battling Back,” Legal Times, 5 June 1995, 1.
Although stories were creeping: Frank J. Murray, “Starr’s Billings Prompt Unease,” Washington Times, 27 Mar. 1996, A4; “On Another Case,” photo, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 4 Apr. 1996, A5.
“get [Tucker] to say”: Bill Clinton, interview by author.
“I’m from the school of criminal law that says”: George Collins, interview by author.
As Governor Tucker sat: Michael Haddigan, “Trial Is Taking Its Toll on Tucker,” Washington Post, 24 Mar. 1996, A17; Jim Guy Tucker, interview by author.
“The motivation to protect”: Jim Guy Tucker, interview by author.
Collins worried that Tucker: George Col lins, interview by author.
nothing more than a minor figure: Robert McDaniel, interview by author.
“I’m going to get up”: George Collins, interview by author.
“there were no pros”: Sam Heuer, interview by author.
“He was taking”: Susan McDougal, interview by author.
“My people expect”: McDougal and Harris, The Woman Who Wouldn’t Talk, 192.
He wrote to McDougal’s lawyer: Grant Tennile, “James McDougal Pale in Court, but Vows to Continue,” Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 8 May 1996, A12.
“It was the exact model”: United States v. James B. McDougal, Jim Guy Tucker, Susan McDougal, James McDougal Testimony, 7 May 1996, vol. 39, 6973–74.
“Another day”: Susan McDougal, interview by author.
Jahn confronted Jim: Conason and Lyons, The Hunting of the President, 238.
Susan McDougal waited: Ibid.; for a slightly different account, see McDougal and Harris, The Woman Who Wouldn’t Talk, 195.
“kind of like in a football game”: Robert McDaniel, interview by author.
“Oh, Jesus Christ”: George Collins, interview by author.
McDougal had even confessed: Sam Heuer, interview by author.
“rip [Jim’s] heart out”: Robert McDaniel, interview by author.
“If that hick lawyer of yours asks”: McDougal and Harris, The Woman Who Wouldn’t Talk, 195.
“She did not believe”: Robert McDaniel, interview by author.
They did not exactly “trust”: Ray Jahn, interview by author.
“innocent bystander”: Ibid. Susan McDougal’s attorney, Bobby McDaniel, later replied to this assertion by prosecutor Jahn: “A mock jury, and I’ve done many of them, is not better than the fairness by which you present the evidence. So I put zero stock in that” (Robert McDaniel, interview by author).
Starr’s prosecutors were convinced: Ray Jahn, interview by author.
“Why would the president of the United States have”: Ken Starr, interview by author.
Before President Clinton’s testimony: Sam Heuer to David Kendall, 18 Apr. 1996, Sam Heuer papers. Attorney Heuer’s files relating to the Tucker-McDougal trial contain numerous exchanges of information with the president’s lawyers.
prosecutor Ray Jahn turned: It is worth noting that when David Hale had attempted to testify about conversations he allegedly engaged in directly with Clinton, Governor Tucker’s attorney George Collins had objected forcefully. Collins argued that such testimony was inadmissible “unless they say Clinton is a co-conspirator, and they have never said that” (Stumpe, “For Now, Clinton Not Named”). Prosecutor Ray Jahn did not contest the objection; Judge Howard had ruled the testimony inadmissible. Thus, Jahn was incapable of arguing