History of the Impeachment of Andrew Johnson [92]
to a matter which you spoke of incidentally. You were there the next morning about noon?
Answer: I was.
Question: Did you then see the appointment of Mr. Ewing?
Answer: I did.
Question: Was it made out before you came there, or after, or while you were there?
Answer: While I was there.
Question: And you then saw it?
Answer: I saw it.
Question by Mr. Johnson (of the Court): What time of the day was that?
Answer: It was about twelve.
* * * Question by Mr. Evarts: Did you become aware of the Tenure-of-office bill, as it is called, at or about the time that it passed Congress?
Answer: I was aware of it.
Question: Were you present at any Cabinet meeting at which, after the passage of that Act, it became the subject of consideration?
Answer: Yes, on two occasions. The first occasion when it was brought before the Cabinet was on the 26th of February, 1867.
Question: Who were present?
Answer: All the Cabinet were present.
Question: Was Mr. Stanton there?
Answer: Mr. Stanton was there, I think, on that occasion.
Question: This civil tenure act was the subject of consideration there?
Answer: It was submitted.
Question: As a matter of consideration in the Cabinet?
Answer: For consultation for the advice and opinion of members.
Question: How did he submit the matter to your consideration?
Mr. Butler objected and demanded that the offer be put in writing.
No. 23.
That the President at a meeting of the Cabinet, while the bill was before the President for his approval, laid before the Cabinet the tenure-of-civil-office bill for their consideration and advice to the President respecting his approval of the bill: and thereupon the members of the Cabinet then present gave their advice to the President that the bill was unconstitutional and should be returned to Congress with his objections, and that the duty of preparing a message, setting forth the objections to the constitutionality of the bill, was devolved on Mr. Seward and Mr. Stanton; to be followed by proof as to what was done by the President and Cabinet up to the time of sending in the message.
After argument the yeas and nays were taken:
Yeas--Anthony Bayard, Buckalew, Davis, Dixon, Doolittle, Fessenden, Fowler, Grimes, Henderson, Hendricks, Johnson, McCreery, Patterson of Tennessee, Ross, Saulsbury, Trumbull, Van Winkle, Vickers, and Willey--20--9 Republicans and 11 Democrats.
Nays--Cameron, Cattell, Chandler, Cole, Conkling, Conness, Corbett, Cragin, Drake, Edmunds, Ferry, Frelinghuysen, Harlan, Howard, Howe, Morgan, Morrill of Maine, Morrill of Vermont, Patterson of New Hampshire, Pomeroy, Ramsay Sherman, Sprague, Stewart, Thayer, Tipton, Williams, Wilson, and Yates--29--all Republicans.
So this testimony was rejected.
No. 21.
Counsel for Defense offered to prove:
That at the meetings of the Cabinet at which Mr. Stanton was present, held while the tenure-of-civil-office bill was before the President for approval, the advice of the Cabinet in regard to the same was asked by the President and given by the Cabinet, and thereupon the question whether Mr. Stanton and the other Secretaries who had received their appointment from Mr. Lincoln were within the restrictions upon the President's power of removal from office created by said act was considered, and the opinion expressed that the Secretaries appointed by Mr. Lincoln were not within such restrictions.
The yeas and nays were ordered, and the vote was:
Yeas--Anthony, Bayard, Buckalew, Davis, Dixon, Doolittle, Fessenden, Fowler, Grimes, Henderson, Hendricks, Johnson, McCreery, Patterson of Tennessee, Ross, Saulsbury, Sherman, Sprague, Trumbull, Van Winkle, Vickers, and Willey--22--11 Republicans and 11 Democrats.
Nays--Cameron, Cattell, Chandler, Cole. Conness. Corbett, Cragin, Drake, Edmunds, Ferry, Frelinghusen, Harlan, Howard, Howe, Morgan, Morrill of Maine, Morrill of Vermont, Patterson of New Hampshire, Pomeroy, Ramsay, Stewart, Thayer, Tipton, Williams, Wilson, and Yates--26--all Republicans.
So this testimony was
Answer: I was.
Question: Did you then see the appointment of Mr. Ewing?
Answer: I did.
Question: Was it made out before you came there, or after, or while you were there?
Answer: While I was there.
Question: And you then saw it?
Answer: I saw it.
Question by Mr. Johnson (of the Court): What time of the day was that?
Answer: It was about twelve.
* * * Question by Mr. Evarts: Did you become aware of the Tenure-of-office bill, as it is called, at or about the time that it passed Congress?
Answer: I was aware of it.
Question: Were you present at any Cabinet meeting at which, after the passage of that Act, it became the subject of consideration?
Answer: Yes, on two occasions. The first occasion when it was brought before the Cabinet was on the 26th of February, 1867.
Question: Who were present?
Answer: All the Cabinet were present.
Question: Was Mr. Stanton there?
Answer: Mr. Stanton was there, I think, on that occasion.
Question: This civil tenure act was the subject of consideration there?
Answer: It was submitted.
Question: As a matter of consideration in the Cabinet?
Answer: For consultation for the advice and opinion of members.
Question: How did he submit the matter to your consideration?
Mr. Butler objected and demanded that the offer be put in writing.
No. 23.
That the President at a meeting of the Cabinet, while the bill was before the President for his approval, laid before the Cabinet the tenure-of-civil-office bill for their consideration and advice to the President respecting his approval of the bill: and thereupon the members of the Cabinet then present gave their advice to the President that the bill was unconstitutional and should be returned to Congress with his objections, and that the duty of preparing a message, setting forth the objections to the constitutionality of the bill, was devolved on Mr. Seward and Mr. Stanton; to be followed by proof as to what was done by the President and Cabinet up to the time of sending in the message.
After argument the yeas and nays were taken:
Yeas--Anthony Bayard, Buckalew, Davis, Dixon, Doolittle, Fessenden, Fowler, Grimes, Henderson, Hendricks, Johnson, McCreery, Patterson of Tennessee, Ross, Saulsbury, Trumbull, Van Winkle, Vickers, and Willey--20--9 Republicans and 11 Democrats.
Nays--Cameron, Cattell, Chandler, Cole, Conkling, Conness, Corbett, Cragin, Drake, Edmunds, Ferry, Frelinghuysen, Harlan, Howard, Howe, Morgan, Morrill of Maine, Morrill of Vermont, Patterson of New Hampshire, Pomeroy, Ramsay Sherman, Sprague, Stewart, Thayer, Tipton, Williams, Wilson, and Yates--29--all Republicans.
So this testimony was rejected.
No. 21.
Counsel for Defense offered to prove:
That at the meetings of the Cabinet at which Mr. Stanton was present, held while the tenure-of-civil-office bill was before the President for approval, the advice of the Cabinet in regard to the same was asked by the President and given by the Cabinet, and thereupon the question whether Mr. Stanton and the other Secretaries who had received their appointment from Mr. Lincoln were within the restrictions upon the President's power of removal from office created by said act was considered, and the opinion expressed that the Secretaries appointed by Mr. Lincoln were not within such restrictions.
The yeas and nays were ordered, and the vote was:
Yeas--Anthony, Bayard, Buckalew, Davis, Dixon, Doolittle, Fessenden, Fowler, Grimes, Henderson, Hendricks, Johnson, McCreery, Patterson of Tennessee, Ross, Saulsbury, Sherman, Sprague, Trumbull, Van Winkle, Vickers, and Willey--22--11 Republicans and 11 Democrats.
Nays--Cameron, Cattell, Chandler, Cole. Conness. Corbett, Cragin, Drake, Edmunds, Ferry, Frelinghusen, Harlan, Howard, Howe, Morgan, Morrill of Maine, Morrill of Vermont, Patterson of New Hampshire, Pomeroy, Ramsay, Stewart, Thayer, Tipton, Williams, Wilson, and Yates--26--all Republicans.
So this testimony was