Gorgias [1]
Because, Polus, when Chaerephon asked you what was the art which Gorgias knows, you praised it as if you were answering some one who found fault with it, but you never said what the art was. Pol. Why, did I not say that it was the noblest of arts? Soc. Yes, indeed, but that was no answer to the question: nobody asked what was the quality, but what was the nature, of the art, and by what name we were to describe Gorgias. And I would still beg you briefly and clearly, as you answered Chaerephon when he asked you at first, to say what this art is, and what we ought to call Gorgias: Or rather, Gorgias, let me turn to you, and ask the same question what are we to call you, and what is the art which you profess? Gor. Rhetoric, Socrates, is my art. Soc. Then I am to call you a rhetorician? Gor. Yes, Socrates, and a good one too, if you would call me that which, in Homeric language, "I boast myself to be." Soc. I should wish to do so. Gor. Then pray do. Soc. And are we to say that you are able to make other men rhetoricians? Gor. Yes, that is exactly what I profess to make them, not only at Athens, but in all places. Soc. And will you continue to ask and answer questions, Gorgias, as we are at present doing and reserve for another occasion the longer mode of speech which Polus was attempting? Will you keep your promise, and answer shortly the questions which are asked of you? Gor. Some answers, Socrates, are of necessity longer; but I will do my best to make them as short as possible; for a part of my profession is that I can be as short as any one. Soc. That is what is wanted, Gorgias; exhibit the shorter method now, and the longer one at some other time. Gor. Well, I will; and you will certainly say, that you never heard a man use fewer words. Soc. Very good then; as you profess to be a rhetorician, and a maker of rhetoricians, let me ask you, with what is rhetoric concerned: I might ask with what is weaving concerned, and you would reply (would you not?), with the making of garments? Gor. Yes. Soc. And music is concerned with the composition of melodies? Gor. It is. Soc. By Here, Gorgias, I admire the surpassing brevity of your answers. Gor. Yes, Socrates, I do think myself good at that. Soc. I am glad to hear it; answer me in like manner about rhetoric: with what is rhetoric concerned? Gor. With discourse. Soc. What sort of discourse, Gorgias?-such discourse as would teach the sick under what treatment they might get well? Gor. No. Soc. Then rhetoric does not treat of all kinds of discourse? Gor. Certainly not. Soc. And yet rhetoric makes men able to speak? Gor. Yes. Soc. And to understand that about which they speak? Gor. Of course. Soc. But does not the art of medicine, which we were just now mentioning, also make men able to understand and speak about the sick? Gor. Certainly. Soc. Then medicine also treats of discourse? Gor. Yes. Soc. Of discourse concerning diseases? Gor. Just so. Soc. And does not gymnastic also treat of discourse concerning the good or evil condition of the body? Gor. Very true. Soc. And the same, Gorgias, is true of the other arts:-all of them treat of discourse concerning the subjects with which they severally have to do. Gor. Clearly. Soc. Then why, if you call rhetoric the art which treats of discourse, and all the other arts treat of discourse, do you not call them arts of rhetoric? Gor. Because, Socrates, the knowledge of the other arts has only to do with some sort of external action, as of the hand; but there is no such action of the hand in rhetoric which works and takes effect only through the medium of discourse. And therefore I am justified in saying that rhetoric treats of discourse. Soc. I am not sure whether I entirely understand you, but I dare say I shall soon know better; please to answer me a question:-you would allow that there are arts? Gor. Yes. Soc. As to the arts generally, they are for the most part concerned with doing, and require little or no speaking; in painting, and statuary, and many